What a shocker. Okay. Lets vote a second time. If the out come is not what specific people want, will we vote a third time?

Lovely, so now we get to have another meeting where there won't be enough room for everyone, or time for everyone to voice thier opinions?

When is Conroy up for election?

Now isn't that just a nice and cozy way to take a town deeply divided and just make things a whole lot worse. Way to go Conroy, O'Brien, Drobinski, Valente, Kablack and Kablack and Kablack, and Gutch and Gutch, Ryan and Marshall and most of all Offner and Offner. You have destroyed the nice community we used to love. I will be moving after one more year of Education in Sudbury. Educate and evacuate.

Can anyone advise what specifically is required to create a petition for a special town election and how long that process should take? I am sure I am not alone in not wishing to wait for the annual town election in March. I am sure it will be a slam dunk to gather the required signatures considering the outrage Sudbury residents will have for this outcome. I personally can't bear to think about another month going by with our current corrupt and incompetent town leadership.

I guess we are luckey it wasn't amended for 3-2 Selectmen. Why is it the voting at the Town Meeting okay for some articles but not all? The fix is in and I'm furious. Where is my "3-5" sign?

I'm frustrated by this as well. But while I think it's fair to say Tom Conroy was not on our side, it's not fair to say he was on theirs.

Does anyone think there's rejoicing in the O'Brien camp tonight? Will there be a party at Lavender later? I don't think so. We didn't get what we wanted, but we got what we needed. Maybe the same is true for the other side, and Mr. Conroy played it down the middle. In a way, that's his job.

The issue now is that we can't lose faith we can win this, because if we do, THEN they win. We're not up against some unstoppable machine here... The numbers are clearly on our side. In the end our struggle is to maintain the will and FOCUS to continue to overcome all the petty obstacles and stall tactics they throw at us. If they want a vote in March, let's vote in March. We'll win by a landslide, especially after Mr. O'Brien and co. had the gaul to testify on Beacon Hill to block the will of the town like this.

For me the focus shifts away from Mr. O'Brien now, and onto Mr. Drobinski. If I have to wait until John Drobinski's election in 2014 to vote for two new Selectmen, I'm damn well going to do everything in my power to remove him at the same time. If not - if he steps forward as a statesman willing to unite the town behind the will it expresses in the March ballot - then maybe he deserves a place on the 5-member board that is almost assured by the passage of this bill.

I guess we'll see soon enough.

Thanks Tom Conroy, for nothing. How exactly are you representing us? The people spoke Loud and Clear and yet all You heard was the Lavender Crowd. I hope you find a job outside of politics. you seem like a nice person but your political career is OVER

Ha! The pitbulls deflated. I think this is a fair outcome.

Lighten up Antony

Sorry, I meant "perspective"

What is your problem? How is it a fair outcome when we already voted of this in a fair and legally binding forum? Enough with the pitbulls! Did you have longstanding issues from your childhood? Were you bit by one? If so, can't you tell the difference between a dog and a person? If not than you should probably NOT be allowed to voice/write your opinions here because you clearly do not meet the minimum IQ requirement(which by the way is pretty low).

After having presented on the article at town meeting and voting in favor of Mr. Fee's amendment I must agree with sudburycitzentoo. Sudbury will benefit from the move from 3-5 but the process was less than open and a change of this import merits a town wide vote, most especially when one takes under consideration the turmoil this town has experienced. This vote will unite the town and strengthen the ultimate result through democracy and not through other, less open, means.

Kirsten- of course you agree with sudburycitizentoo! Which rude ,obnoxious, insulting comment is it you agree with exactly???

I am confused, but am curious: does this move by Mr. Conroy et al mean that every vote taken at Town Meeting needs to go to a ballot vote as well? Is this just limited to Special Town Meeting? Does this impact measures passed at either Town Meeting and/or Special Town Meeting in the past?

Nothing to be confused about. It's called politics. Both sides get to play.

Let's get the petition started today. Where do I sign?

The chances that O'Brien will do this on this own are slim and none.

Also vote against both question now pending. Hit them where it hurts. Be the flash mob that Gutch made us out to be.

I think it is important to note that despite the extensive debate on this article at Town Meeting, and despite the article being approved by an overhwehlming margin, our Chairman of the Board of Selectmen, ignoring the legitimate vote of our citizens, spoke out against this matter at the Joint Committee hearing. This sets an ulgy precedent for parties disatisfied with a vote at Town Meeting to seek injunctive relief to prevent the matter from being implemented until there is a Town Wide Vote. The fact that Mr. Conroy did not speak in favor of the overwhelming majorty vote on this matter by the Towns official legilsative body, speaks volumns. The Special Act that created our current form of Town Government, that was passed at a Town Meeting with only around 350 people, allows us to change the duties and powers of the Board of Selectment by a simple vote at Town Meeting. No townwide ballot required. This article made no changes to the duties and powers of the Board of Selectmen, at all, only a simple increase in the number. It is ironic that Chairman O'Brien chooses to speak on the side of the minority vote at Town Meeting to give them a voice at the Joint Committee Hearing, but is against giving a voice to people with differing views on the Board of Selectmen by expanding the number of Selectmen. Why?

@ Kirsten- you seem to have a huge problem with One Sudbury. Is it because you were removed, for your aggressive tone? Or because you dominated every discussion with your make believe nonsense?
But by all means clarify! I need a good laugh-

I'd like some clarification of what was less than ethical or above board in the submission or vetting of the 3-5 article from Kirsten.
The article followed the letter of the law....period.
Please reference any and all laws, charter violations and any other state, federal and local statutes, processes, by laws or what have you.
I would be interested to see those instead of just a repeat of what rumor, innuendo or conversational manipulation and forwarding.
Please show me the fact.

Every member of OneSudbury should boycott Passion Flower.

It so urks me when people profess to be seekers of truth and yet do not provide any substantive back up to criticism. If the 3-5 was less anything less than by the book this would NOT have
1) passed BOS for submission on the warrant
2) not supported by town counsel as following the law
3) not been valid at town meeting
4) Chair O'Brien would have pointed that out
5) not been submitted by Tom Conroy
6) not passed through committee at state level
7) not been granted a hearing by the election commission
8) not been passed by the election commission
Please let's be honest folks.
Do your own research,Kirsten. Report back with facts - not the opinion of yet another divisive, less than above board, insider.

As usual Siobhan- Well said!!!

Sudbury, we all should do business with Frugal Flower. They love Sudbury and respect the citizens of this town unlike another flower shop in town.

I agree wholeheartedly with everyone's comments supporting the legitimacy of the special town meeting vote and the lack of fairness of the committee rulling. However, this is water-under-the bridge. Any debate is purely academic at this point. Let's focus our energies on bringing a special election to resolve this matter once and for all.

The town has a chance to move forward. Please cease in the horrible name calling on this posting area. I find that those making these comments to be very inappropriate and irrational. This is not a sign of any type of leadership we need.

All this mud slinging and false bravado will do nothing to further this cause. If you've got facts to contribute, do so. A question - ask it. Everything else serves only to call into question the motivations behind the movement - by perception or reality, no matter. If you're frustrated or angry save it and channel the energy into something productive.

@ sudburycitizentoo- call your Dr and get on some meds- you need them desperatly!

Either pill has to be better than whatever you are taking (or not taking) now.