Discussion: Should Lavender Be Allowed to Stay Open Late for Thanksgiving?
The Board of Selectmen approved the extend the Asian restaurant's liquor license to 2 a.m. because of 'tradition.'
Lavender ... it's been one of the most controversial topics in Sudbury this year.
The Asian restaurant was in the spotlight back in May after it was issued a liquor license violation the night Annual Town Meeting ended, when Selectmen Larry O'Brien, John Drobinski, Town Manager Maureen Valente and other town officials gathered to celebrate.
The restaurant, which had been given two courtesy warnings that night from the Sudbury Police Department, was cited for hosting patrons past the allowed hours.
And there was the car accident involving Elizabeth Rust, the Sudbury Department of Planning and Community Development employee who crashed her car during the early morning hours of May 9 on Concord Road when she hit two signs and a granite post at the Union Avenue intersection. She told the responding officer she had left Lavender and was cited for her third OUI. That case is still pending at Framingham District Court.
At the last Board of Selectmen meeting, the Board voted, 2-1, to allow the restaurant to stay open until 2 a.m. on Thanksgiving (Wednesday into Thursday). Drobinski argued it's been a tradition as local kids come home from college and want a place to congregate. O'Brien, who had recused himself from all Lavender talk until the last meeting, voted to approve the motion. Bob Haarde voted against.
What do you think, Sudbury? Should Lavender be given the special exemption?
Tell us in the comments section below.
Sue Clark
6:48 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Individuals should be held accountable for their own actions. Lavender's should not be held responsible for other people's bad judgment and misbehavior. Concerning the students home from school and congregating, the same holds true. Everyone has been amply educated and made aware of the dangers, to themselves and others. When does "passing the buck" end and onus for one's own actions apply?
barbara lettery
6:52 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
They should not be allowed to stay open. What is the matter with our 2 selectmen to say "with kids coming home from school it is a place to congregate" I am appalled at their actions and comments.
Sudburytoo
8:19 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Just one more example of why we need 5 Selectmen instead of 3. O'Brien and Drobinski once again made Bob Haarde the odd man out. I do not believe anything good will come from Lavender staying open until 2am. I look at this as another example of MOBRINSKI rubbing our noses in the whole Lavendergate situation. I am very disappointed in O'Brien and Drobinski. They should both be ashamed of themselves and once again demonstrate poor judgement. I hope that nothing terrible happens as a result of drinking until 2am. Let's hope everyone is safe and has a happy Thanksgiving. Very poor decision to allow Lavender to stay open until 2am.
Scott Nassa
8:25 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Just to put this into perspective we have a town employee cited for what has been reported as a third OUI. So what does Sudbury leadership do? Nothing. We just go on about our business like nothing happened. I know of cases in private (never mind public) organizations where employees received one OUI and were let go due to character reasons. Yet in this case nothing was done. Never mind dismissal, a simple 30 day (or even 1 day) suspension would have sent some message. Yet nothing was done and no message was sent. In a town which holds the distinction of being #1 in the state for school aged children, don't we have a responsibility to take actions that demonstrate to our children the difference between right and wrong? In this case I hope that no teenager who is or about to start driving looks at leadership's lack of action and thinks that three (or even one) OUI's is acceptable.
Then leadership turns around and decides to send a message over six months later. The problem is the message they sent was the wrong one. Instead of calling it "tradition" for kids hanging out at a bar until 2:00 AM, we should have urged kids to get off the roads and in bed at 1:00 where they and anyone else on the roads at this hour would be safest. Yet two selectman chose to debate as to why we should let this establishment stay open and serve alcohol for an additional hour where only bad, not good things can happen.
It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure this out. This is common sense.
joanne
8:27 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I honestly hope that the bartenders at Lavender have been re-trained on when to shut someone off-
I dont feel its a good idea to be open until 2am- they should have to close at 1am like Bistro 20.
Larry O'Brien should never have been involved in any discussion involving liquor license extentions-
JT
8:27 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I would let them stay open - and I would want a police car sitting right outside their door from midnight until 2 am.
kate f
8:47 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Wowwww...can there BE a more excellent example of why a 5 member selectperson team is needed? There would HAVE to be someone, anyone, with the mind of an enlightened adult in that number...there would just HAVE to be.
John J Kohler
9:03 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I agree with Bob Haarde on this issue. Nothing good is going to happen at 2am with a combination of alcohol being served and young adults driving home. I do not buy into the "tradition" argument made by the other two selectmen. Sometimes, common sense has to prevail. I am disappointed in this decision and I also hope everyone stays safe and has a Happy Thanksgiving without incident.
Christine Hogan
9:13 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I do not think any restaurant or bar should be open an extra hour simply because it is the eve of Thanksgiving. Further, I find the comment made at the BOS meeting that it should be open until 2 a.m. because the kids are home (from college) disturbing. Most kids in college are not of drinking age yet, so that justification is simply absurd. Most frightening of all, however, is it appears we have not learned a single thing since the events that transpired in early May.
Rob
9:14 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
The kids should have a local place to hang out and get together. However their should be a police presence in the parking lot to ensure drunk drives are not on our roads.
JJoseph
9:26 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Will the noodles and water be flowing in abundance like it was in May? Larry O'Brien, why did you not recuse yourself? When the town had questions you recused yourself and scattered like a scared kitten. Now you feel you can participate in this decision?
We need 5 Selectmen real soon and O'Brien and Drobinski have got to go. Very poor decision making!
Edward Stark
9:37 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I hope somebody brings up these issues next Tuesday during the hearing at the State House as to why we should go from 3 to 5 selectman.
pmotw
10:45 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Totally not necessary to stay open till 2:00 am. This is one of the most popular evenings for drinking and driving. Those who were in favor of this should be accountable in the event anything unfortunate happens. Wasn't It was bad enough that Mr. Drobinski and Mr. O'Brien were "caught" being irresponsible at the same place? Now they want to extend the serving time to enable others the opportunity to become intoxicated and be a threat to public safety. I hope the Sudbury Police department is well staffed and can handle what ever threats to public safety this creates. And Please, NO SPECIAL FAVORS FOR intoxicated Selectmen!!!!
Thrice Rusty
11:19 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
The Patch should post a poll as to whether or not we are better off with a police car stationed outside Lavender or outside Beth Rust's house!
Carl Zuckerman
12:17 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Seems like we're back to flogging Lavender again. Bistro20 was also granted a 1 hour extension. Shouldn't we be debating that extension too? Or is this just another opportunity for political attacks?
Robert Fucci
12:26 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Bistro20 will be open until 1. That wasn't the issue. Lavender can stay open until 1 as is state by the liquor license. That also wasn't the issue. Extending Lavender's license to 2 a.m. was the issue. SudburyTV has it on tape if you need further clarification: http://sudburytv.pegcentral.com/player.php?video=a8c2b25c6768b80d2a8be1255e5a7c1d
Sudburytoo
12:54 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Carl,
First of all Bistro20 was not just cited for violations. Second, Bistro is open until 1am and not 2am. Third, review the tapes and you will have a better understanding of the issues. Last, Bistro20 was not the site of the MOBRINSKI after hours party and Lavender was. Also, Mr. O'brien recused himself of all discussions of Lavender but now he is a proponent of them staying open late. The whole thing stinks very badly.
Carl Zuckerman
1:17 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Bob, both establishments were granted a 1-hour extension for 1 night, which to me seems to make them similar issues. Or is there some qualitative difference between 1 and 2? And, "too", despite patronizing and nasty tone of your response, was Lavender issued a citation or just a warning? Are they now on probation for some period of time? And I'm not sure if Bistro20 has ever received a warning/citation similar to Lavender.
Robert Fucci
1:24 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I have no reason to have a nasty tone. Sorry you think that. I don't live in town so whatever happens hear doesn't affect my everyday life. Bistro's extension is from midnight to 1. Obviously the liquor license board/BofS doesn't have an issue with an establishment being open that late since they allow Lavender to be open at that time. As was stated at the meeting, Bob Haarde said he was worried about what could happen by serving liquor so late. So the issues are different. Bistro will close at 1, Lavender at 2. Seems clear to me. If anyone else disagrees, please by all means tell me if I'm off. I can admit when I'm wrong.
sudburycitizentoo
1:33 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Carl,
Careful while treading with the pitbulls....
You are right. More of the same from more of the same.
Carl Zuckerman
1:33 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Bob, my "nasty" comment was in response to "Sudburytoo" and was in no way directed to you. Sorry for the confusion...
Robert Fucci
1:45 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
No worries, Carl ... my bad for reading it that way.
Sudburytoo
7:33 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Hi Carl,
Me Again,
What part of the truth did you think was "nasty" Explain to all of us please.
Edward Stark
12:36 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
People the cops will be out tonight. Make sure you have your SSI cards handy in the event that they ask for identification.
sudburycitizentoo
7:56 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Discussion: Should Sudbury Patch Be Allowed To Continue Publishing Propaganda?
Robert Fucci
8:39 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
How is giving the public a forum to discuss topics publishing propaganda? If I deny the public a chance to speak about topics currently affecting their lives then I am no better than those in power who choose to squash public comments at town meetings.
sudburycitizentoo
1:20 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012
Perpetuating propaganda to get more "hits"on the website and a fat paycheck. That should be breaking news.
Jeff W
5:48 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012
I'm still trying to figure out what the OUI has to do with any of this, and why it was mentioned in the article. Are we blaming someone on the staff of Lavender (or perhaps Mr. O'Brien) personally for this person's choices and behavior? Perhaps we can hang the Kennedy assassination on the restaurant as well... 8-}
sudburycitizentoo
7:56 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Excellent observation, Jeff W. More of the same.