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TELL US: Will the Jobless Rate Influence Your Vote for President?

The unemployment rate has fallen to below 8 percent for the first time in four years.

 

With Republicans and Democrats largely agreeing that Republican candidate Mitt Romney won the first presidential debate this week, there is a new piece of news that could soften the perceived blow to President Barack Obama's campaign. 

The U.S. jobless rate fell to 7.8 percent last month, dropping below 8 percent for the first time since Obama moved in to the White House.

The Boston Globe reported that the news could give the Obama camp a boost; it's the same rate as January 2009, when the president took office. 

In the months after the inauguration, the rate increased and topped 8 percent for 43 straight months. In August, it was 8.1 percent.

The jobless rate is determined through a government survey of 60,000 households. The Globe reported that while many of the jobs added last month were part-time jobs, the country could be growing jobs at a faster pace.

What do you make of the news? Do you believe this is a positive for the sitting president or too little too late? How will it affect your vote? Tell us in the comments section, below.

Related Topics: Jobless Rate and Unemployment

Judy Deutsch

6:22 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

The present jobless rate is part of a good trend to get our nation out of the financial hole that Bush left us with. It just confirms my decision to support and vote for barack Obama.
Judy Deutsch

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Donna Scalcione

7:14 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

I'm supporting Obama because I believe that OVERALL his policies are best for the vast majority of Americans in the long run. Making some sacrifices in the present to help ensure a better future is good policy for my home, my town and the country as a whole.
Donna Scalcione

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Poppaone

12:23 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Judy and Donna are the very definions of "drinking the koolaide". Only a fool, or a democrat, will believe those unemployment numbers. The real unemployment rate is closer to 11% (and you can bet that the bogus 7.8% rate will be "adjusted" next month, after the election). Are you satisfied with the price of a gallon of gas? What about his promised transparency? Does his energy policy make sense? Does he have an energy policy? Are you pleased with his foreign policy? Does he have a foreign policy? Do we have more or less enemies than four years ago? Do we have more or less allies than four years ago? Do we have more or less personal freedoms than four years ago? Does your health care cost more or less than four years ago? If you were to be completely honest with yourself, you would answer all those questions in the negative. If that is what you mean that his policies are the best for the vast majority of Americans, then go ahead and vote for four more disasterous years for a failed president. We get the governement were deserve.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

7:28 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

There is no known cure for this type of naivety... it happens to the best of families, particularly in blue states.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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trexdad

7:53 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Sure the unemployment rate is down but it's only because people who are looking for full time jobs have to settle for part time jobs. The real number is how many people who are seeking full time jobs and can not find them. Any buddy can play with statistics and the Obama administration are experts at it.

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trexdad

7:54 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

And I do mean "buddy" because that is how Obama portraits himself to people. He's their "buddy".

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Howard Kosrofian

8:01 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

HE STARTED WITH 7.8. We are back where he started after TRILLIONS IN SPENDING. IF you can even believe these numbers.GASOLINE is through the roof. IF you recall OBAMA saying gas should be around 4-5.00 a gallon a couple of years ago, AS LONG AS IT DOESN`T GET THERE TO FAST. WELL it`s getting there dear leader. THE LYBIAN situation is a mess, what comes out in the insuing days will shake it up, EVEN WITH THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IN THE TANK. You can see the rats scurrying off the ship.OBAMA is the least prepared man to be president in the modern era !!!!!. IF elected it will be more of the same, however much much WORSE !!! HE has never run anything, not a lemonade stand. MITT ROMNEY IS A WORLD CLASS TOP NOTCH CEO, WHO HAS BUILT BUSINESS, AND SOLVED PROBLEMS. I`D SAY IN ALL THE BUSINESS HE HAS BUILT he created more Jobs than OBAMA HAS EVEN COME CLOSE TOO.YOU CAN`T BUILD THE ECONOMY BY JUST ADDING CIVIL SERVICE JOBS.This guy doesn`t get it.THE bulk of the middle class is not working in the civil service, in fact those jobs on average pay 12.30 an hour more AND MUCH BETTER BENEFITS. he wants more teachers, more cops, more firefighters, more janitors etc, HOW ARE WE GOING PAY FOR THEM ? prop taxes keep going up as it is. WHEN THE PEOPLE IN A COMPANY START MAKING MORE THAN THE OWNERS, IT`S OVER FOR THE COMPANY, the civil servents are making more than the bulk of the people who pay them, CAN`T CONTINUE, AND WORK !!!!!! unemploment rate in the government is 4.5% far cry from 7.8 %

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Alice H

12:29 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Just because you put numbers in your comments does not mean they are facts.

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Alice H

12:35 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Why don't you support your SHOUTING ASSERTIONS with real facts? How many people did Romney force into unemployment in his business deals via Bain? How many jobs did he ship overseas during his tenure with Bain? What is his employment plan other than maintaining tax breaks for the wealthy and expecting it to trickle down into employment for the middle class?

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trexdad

12:40 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Alice H - that is why you need to know if they are facts. Look up the numbers yourself. What Obama has done to this economy and the amount of spending are ridiculous. The economy has not improved, cost of living has increased, more people are out of work, the Country has lost more full-time jobs than it has gained and the national debt is at record levels. All these are "accomplishments" of this current administration - not because of Bush. All I hear Obama say is it takes time. Well he has had 3 and a half years and everything has gotten worse! WAKE UP PEOPLE AND LOOK AT THE FACTS!!!

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trexdad

12:50 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Alice H - Obama has been in office for 3 and a half years. Has he improved unemployment? No he has not. He has made it worse. It does not take that long to improve the economy if you have sound fiscal policies. Obama has no fiscal policy except to increase federal spendng which he has done at a rate freater than any other President in history. This is just hurting the economy. Economics proves if business has the money that business will grow the economy. Most businesses in the United States are privately owned & these are the one's Obama wants to tax to death. This will not create jobs. Obama's first term has done nothing except ram Obamacare down our throats - remember most Americans are against Obamacare. All this proves Obama is not the candidate people should vote for.

Also remember about Bain - that was Romney's job and he performed it magnificently. He was being paid to grow Bain and have Bain be profitable. He accomplished both. Also, how many businesses and jobs did he save & create while he was with Bain? You never hear the positive.

Just look at the facts & don't listen to the rhetoric.

David Chase

8:31 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Doesn't affect my vote, no. We should have spent more to climb out of this hole, but that was not his choice, and we compare with economies overseas to see what happens if you don't spend liberally in a crash -- they're doing much worse than we are, in general (England is particularly comparable since they control their own currency). Conservative policies are generally the worse ones, both right now, and in general.

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Ken Rice

9:00 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

It doesn't impact my vote as I was already voting for the President because as Donna Scalcione said, "overall his policies are best for the vast majority of Americans in the long run."

We're coming off of a credit bubble burst and any non-partisan economist notes that the recovery we're experiencing is about what one can expect under the circumstances. The President, no matter who they are or what party they belong to, can't really have a major impact on this though we all act as if they can and the campaigns play this game as well.

What a President or party can impact is how we take care of those most effected by the slow pace of recovery and other aspects such as how we ensure opportunities for "success" are fostered for the largest swath of Americans possible. Not to sound 'jargonistsic' but ultimately if we don't ensure there's a pretty strong middle class, demand for goods and services will remained suppressed and the economy will suffer. Economies with concentrated wealth tend not to be places most of us would want to live.

The unemployment rate being lower (now 7.8%) is part of a positive trend, but is volatile month to month. While some of the lower number is due to discouraged job seekers, some is also due to the high rate of baby boomers leaving the workforce for more typical reasons (retirement).

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LFM

9:01 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Yes, know to many people out of work or underemployed with no hope....Been out for over 28 months and most companies I know are not hiring.

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Howard Kosrofian

10:12 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

The major reason for the financial melt down, by far was the Democrats, BARNEY FRANK AND CHRIS DODD, with there foolishness, of the idea everyone should own home in america whether they could afford it or not, forcing the banks to give loans to people, YES IN MOST CASES MINORITY`S who could not make the payments, going in with nothing down. DID BUSH GO OVERBOARD IN SPENDING, SURE DID, he was far from a fiscal CONSERVATIVE, OBAMA HAS SURPASSED HIM. ALAN GREENSPAN kept interest rates artificially low for years, he cut rates over 20 times in a row UN HEARD OF, HENCE MONEY BECAME CHEAP TO BORROW.

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TheHam

12:26 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

The only way the jobless rate WOULDN'T affect your presidential vote is if you are not concerned with working or getting a job. There is no other excuse. Don't forget those advertised jobless rates don't include the millions who stopped looking for work, just the ones on the books who are continuing to look for a job. ENORMOUS fact that shouldn't be ignored.

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Karla Vallance

4:49 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Any post that even fakes profanity gets the immediate boot.

Vince

12:38 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

So a few days after Obama gets spanked in the debate the jobs numbers come out like this. Sure they did. The minions will eat this up and spread the word that their Messiah has saved America. God help us.

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Michael Fleming

2:19 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

A drop of the unemployment numbers of such magnitude would have to mean a growth rate of FAR more than we are having. I suspect foul play. It just doesn't make sense for such a precipitous drop in unemployment to occur without some huge change in the manufacturing numbers, the housing numbers or durable goods numbers, which there hasn't been. (those would have made headlines too)
Keep in mind that how the unemployment rate number is figured is from paid workers going door to door interviewing folks in their homes. These workers work for, you guessed it, the government. Their INTERPRETATION of what constitutes "employment" is key to the numbers they submit. And they DO have leeway as to how they lean from what they are told.
"Do they want to continue to work for the government? Well then, Romney is going to fire all of you if he is elected! Now get out there and find us some employed people!"
I can't know for sure that is what is happening, but such a huge drop in that number without a corresponding jump in the numbers in other sectors or statistics is rather....unheard of.
Oh? You say the election is only one month away? Huh...what a coinky dink!

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Steve Duffy

3:26 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Mike Fleming has hit the nail on the head...such a precipitous drop with no corresponding positive economic numbers to justify the reduction....I smell a rat.

Even WORSE THAN THIS THOUGH....Judy Deutsch has found the INTERNET..GOD HELP US ALL!!!!

If her OP/ED comments in the Sudbury Town Crier didn't kill me this will!!

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Divamarie

4:34 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

From the 47%: I will vote for Obama, despite my 2 years of unemployment or underemployment. I believe the financial problems in this country were created at Wall Street, under Bush. Romney, in my opinion, is an elitist, too rich to understand that people like me who previously belonged to the middle class are now the underemployed poor. Essentially, I belong to the 47% group, and Romney serves Wall Street...finally, I feel with Romney as Driver-in-Chief, I will be put in cage on top of car roof, forgotten about, driven around to no where.

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trexdad

11:12 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

You are currently forgotten about now. The current administration has not accomplished any of their promises when they took office. In fact the unemployment rate fot WORSE under this administration. Also, the entire Wall Street fiasco was caused by the policies established by the Democrats, not by Bush. Howard Kosrofian hit it on the head in his prior post above. Open your eyes and really look at the Obama administration, see what they have done/accomplished in the past 4 years, what the economy has done and what real effect this Obamacare is going to have on seniors, business and the healthcare industry. You will see Obama speaks a mean game but that game is all a smoke screen.

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Michael Fleming

11:45 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Well, you hit all the talking points, and managed to work them all into semi cogent sentences. "Wall Street", "elitist" "47%" and an non sequitur comment about a dog on the roof and "being driven to nowhere". All under 30 seconds. Oh yeah, and he's rich too. Let's not let THAT particular gem of insight escape notice. Automatic disqualification for office. ...Except if you are John Kerry or John F. Kennedy, then well...

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Poppaone

1:25 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Divamarie - then what are you complaining about? At least you will finally have a job!

Michael Fleming

12:02 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

I hope that you Dems are following the travesty of the dead US Ambassador and his three guards killed in Bengahzi on 9-11...and how the Ambasador was begging for US troop protection prior to his being attacked and killed. And the Obama administration thought that a group of Libyan soldiers who get paid 4 dollars an hour and was called (and I'm not making this up) the "17th Martyr Squad" was adequate to protect him. Obama knew this was terrorist attack 12 hours after it happened, yet he sent his surrogates to all the major talk shows 5 days later, saying the attack was because of anger over a video that had been out and available on YouTube this summer.
MSNBC is not covering this scandal. Watch Fox News and you will hear things that WILL turn your stomach.
He is outright lying because he doesn't want to add another screw up to his list so close to the election, and so close to his failure in the debate .
For this reason ALONE he should lose his job.
C'mon people! Lift your eyes out of the liberal muck and obfuscation that surrounds this empty suited narcissist. Pay attention to what is actually going on. Put aside your jealose envy of rich people. They are wealthy and you're not. Who's fault is that? THEIRS?? Get over it and wake the heck UP!!

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Divamarie

9:33 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Who will be the candidate to give me health insurance if I go into a 3rd year of unemployment/underemployment. Keep in mind, I am mid-50's, single and self-supporting. Tell me who my candidate is? Thanks.

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trexdad

9:51 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Do you really think Obama is? Do you think it's not going to cost you anything? He is all mouth regarding this. You need to look at the details of Obamacare and stop listening to his rhetoric. Obamacare is increasing healthcare costs, forcing employers to dump healthcare as a benefit because it will cost them so much to provide and it is costing lots of jobs in the healthcare field. Also, how easy is it going to be to receive healthcare services under Obamacare? It'll take forever to get appointments and treatments. Just ask any Canadien how the socialist healthcare is up there and how easy it is to get an appointment. They will let you know it's a nightmare and it costs a fortune via taxes. Please, look at the facts of Obama's proposals and not just the rhetoric coming out of his mouth. He's a great speaker and brainwasher.

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Alice H

12:39 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

I would say you have a much better chance of health coverage with Obama, and I am sorry to hear about your continuing unemployment.

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DAD

4:46 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

A Gimme Girl , Go figure

Divamarie

9:39 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Also, despite my efforts in securing a job, and I have been ready to relocate, work for much less, work night shifts, work last minute, still I cannot get a job. I have made my car ready in case I have to live in it. This is not an exageration, it is my reality. Jobs are not there for all of us. So who do you think my candidate should be?

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trexdad

9:57 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Obama has been in office for 3 and a half years. Has he improved unemployment? No he has not. He has made it worse. It does not take that long to improve the economy if you have sound fiscal policies. Obama has no fiscal policy except to increase federal spendng which he has done at a rate freater than any other President in history. This is just hurting the economy. Economics proves if business has the money that business will grow the economy. Most businesses in the United States are privately owned & these are the one's Obama wants to tax to death. This will not create jobs. Obama's first term has done nothing except ram Obamacare down our throats - remember most Americans are against Obamacare. All this proves Obama is not the candidate people should vote for. Look at the facts & don't listen to the rhetoric.

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J. Parker

2:30 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012

What kind of job are you looking for? Why not try for a job in one of the hospitals? You'd be right there is you got sick ! Good idea? I don't know, but it's worth a try.
On another note, I don't understand these other women here. It seems they'd not vote for anyone but a Democrat no matter how bad he is.

Michael Fleming

12:43 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Gary M-
ALL efforts at collating survey information that utilizes human beings in its collection has an inherent error factor known to exist. But sir, when was the last time you have heard the unemployment numbers discussed along side ANY mention of a "margin of error"? Let me answer that question for you: NEVER.
Now suddenly we have discovered that there is margin of error that we must also be discussing? No sir. No one has ever introduced what everyone knows to be the human factor of sampling into the discussion because that factor remains constant. So the validity of the number remains constant from month to month.
Just do a reality check: take a discussion of this subject, pick ANY talk show, left or right, newspaper or magazine article, google search, whatever you'd like, and try to find any part of that discussion EVER mentioning a "margin of error" associated to that number. Send it to me. Mfleming52@gmail.com or on this blog site. If you can, I will publicly and graciously concede defeat. You are confusing this number with opinion polls which mentions a margin of error EVERYTIME they are posted. And Sonny? When someone uses the word "Census"
It doesn't necessarily refer to the National Census that is done every 10 years. A census taker is anyone tolling up information for any question, at anytime on any subject. Look the word up in the big thick book collecting dust over there in the corner of the basement proping up your video game box.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

1:12 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Not sure a liberal is capable of intelligently refuting..

"Liberals feel; conservatives think."

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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rvd

12:05 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Reverend should know a thing or two about "feel".

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Chris Schaffner

9:35 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

"conservatives think" - except when they are denying science. Evolution anyone?

Michael Fleming

2:35 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Sonny-
The point is that such a jump, or I should say drop, in the unemployment numbers was totally a surprise to the economists and market guys who watch the national numbers very carefully. They did not see this coming. Why? Because in order for such an improvement to occur, OTHER numbers must move in advance, thus suggesting a drop or rise in the unemployment numbers coming up in the near future. Kind of like the "futures" market the morning before the NYSE opens. If the futures are down, we usually see a drop in the Dow at the opening bell. We can almost predict unemployment numbers about a week in advance, roughly. One of the things we see in advance is "jobs created" numbers. Yet this months jobs created number was 114,000. It takes over 250,000 added jobs in one month to move the unemployment figure a single point. One single point. This months number moved Down THREE percentage points, without the required jobs number moving with it. Nor did housing starts, manufacturing, durable goods or warehousing numbers move AT ALL. Where did this miraculous drop come from?
Now, Sonny, if you are capable, respond to what I am talking about, and try to curb your natural tendency to call people you disagree with a "poopy-head", ok? The unemployment numbers, Sonny, concentrate, ...what do you think is the explanation of this un precedented, un explainable drop in the number 4 weeks before the election? Use your bright penetrating beacon on this question...

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Karla Vallance

11:18 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

Just a note to throw into this conversation: if my memory serves me correctly, there is a drop in the jobless rate before EVERY election, no matter which party is in power; I've noticed it before. But I have not checked, but any of us could is: does the same drop happen every fall, regardless of whether there is an election? It might be a seasonal thing.

Michael Fleming

3:09 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Gary
My call to "intelligently refute my comments" were aimed at Sonny boy, not you. Yes, I KNOW that there is sampling error in any collection that is collected by human beings. We ALL know that. I've already stated that. My point was that when I ask the question about a relatively huge drop in the unemployment figure, a valid response is NOT a comment about a "margin of error". It doesn't work with this number because that margin of error is always, consistently there, thus negating its importance in discussions about that number. See? NO ONE...even smarter people than you and i doesn't bring it up in discussions because it is moot. You'd look like a dummy on live TV if you did. YOU, dear Gary, have not suddenly discovered a new twist in the way we discuss this important fact.
I will ask you the same question I asked Sonny above: what is your explanation of a traditionally very slow moving number that suddenly jumps an astounding 3 percentage points without any corresponding accompaniment of other closely related economic data points...four weeks before an election?
Do you have one or two curious or skeptical bones in your body or does that only apply when a Republican is speaking?

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Divamarie

4:19 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

The unemployment numbers do not matter too much to me. Because I know of too many people like me who no longer collect unemployment and have not for 6 months or so, and have not been able to get jobs in their field or or related to their field/skill-set. Back in March of 2012, early 7 AM when I stood in the "unemployment" line at my local job center, the line was 32 people long. I counted 28 people who looked 50ish. Also, I asked a few what they did for a living. There was medical, accounting, electrical, operations, computer programing, etc. THERE WAS A FULL COMPANY IN THAT LINE, alot of talent. SOME said they had been out of work for over a year. Many are still at the networking meetings I attend. So it does not matter to me about the numbers. I know locally of the reality of longterm unemployment. It is a humbling and stressful experience.

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Michael Fleming

7:44 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

And Divamarie...what is the conclusion of this truely tragic story? Take the last 4years and repeat it...or give the engines of the free economy more oil and less grit? It's your engine, how would YOU treat it?

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kate f

10:49 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

You are making true and honest statements based in reality...I do understand and know this is true...the others with their unhelpful 'barbs' are exactly why we do not want a republican in office....the selfish and 'too bad for you' mentality..as long as THEY are all set..it's coming through loud and clear. Where I work, thankfully, I receive many,, many cancellations of appointments due to 'being laid off'..etc. etc..and they are all 'middle aged and upward'. The companies they were employed with are pretty local and in the high tech and financial fields..with most of them being homeowners in SUDBURY. I work for a medical office in Concord..Divamarie is telling the absolute truth fellow Sudburyites..

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Poppaone

12:53 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Kate, it seems like you paint Republican with a broad brush. Be thankful your benevolent progessive masters have taken suck good care of you and Divamarie. You don't need conservatives feeling sorry for you. Don't vote for a change in November. Obviously, the current administration has everything under control. They did not, and can not, create significant jobs. They have not improved the economy. You pay more in taxes and receive less services. Our Ambassadors are murdered and our embassies burned. Health care costs continue to soar. Soon, doctors and hospitals will refuse to accept Medicare patients because they won't be paid. Businesses large and small refuse to hire as long as the current administration is in office. So, by your logic, you are grateful the Republicans are not running the show. Be careful what you wish for because you get the government you deserve.

Greg

6:40 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

The numbers are a lie. Unemployment, illegal aliens and rising prices are crippling the America we grew up in. Obama had his chance, even the liberal media has lost the ability to cover for him.

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David Chase

10:49 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012

You've got all those numbers backwards. We don't have persistent inflation, deportations are up under Obama, and unemployment has now fallen more under Obama than it did under Bush. No, it's not great, but around about 2008 the economy went kablooie in a huge way. Who was president then? Who had been president for almost eight years then? Whose advisors are now Romney's advisors? Whose tax cuts is it that Romney wants to make permanent? Why would we elect someone who promises to make the very same mistakes that got us into this mess in the first place? (At least, sometimes he makes those promises, sometimes he makes different promises.)

Michael Fleming

7:46 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Sonny, you win. Not by insightful comments, but sheer weight. You're too heavy and I'm not strong enough to carry you. You gotta cross that finish line on your own.

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Michael Fleming

11:44 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Wow. I said . 3 percentage points when I should have said .03 percentage points. You got me. That totally proves I was wrong on the entire argument that I was making...which had nothing to do with that number whether it was .3, .03, or .00003.
You failed to concentrate when I told you to concentrate, sonny.
Answer this question: how did such a big drop occur when all other economic factors didnt change? Usually such drops are accompanied with other numbers that show improvement too.
Can ya answer that question sonny, or are you gonna distract away the fact that you can't and concentrate on a number that has nothing to do with that question?
Look, if you don't want to trade insights or cogent arguments, go home, please?
I don't have the energy to teach you critical thinking here on these pages.
You are getting boring. Sorry.

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Michael Fleming

11:59 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

You got me. Now leave me alone. Please.

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kate f

7:56 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012

POPPAONE, I know things are bad...and they have been for such a long time, through Republican presidents as well as Democrat presidents..I think 'we're' just afraid of things becoming worse. How can any of this be 'fixed' in reality? All the jobs being sent overseas are due to the owner's of those companies trying to save their own companies....and keep their profits high...how can that be fixed..as it is of course 'trickle down' devastation..I don't see them bringing back their work here, when it's so cheap in other countries. I think that is my main question, how can any 'magic wand' that Romney has change things so dramatically and get our finances in the upswing again, so that unemployment truly does change for the better...I do NOT believe those 'numbers' at all...there are too many people that have just been dropped off the lists..it's disheartening to have read that from my President, along with the facts about the embassy security..but the overall intent of President Obama is still good for our country...Romney didn't make anything better for our state at all, all those insurance plans he had people take, well it's a rare MD office that accepts them...people pay for them and still go without care. That is a fact..

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Poppaone

9:27 am on Monday, October 15, 2012

Kate, obviously you have never voted for a conservative candidate, and you probably never will. Unfortunately, we are all in this together. We all have to live with your decision. You are the one who will loose sleep in November once your conscience catches up to your logic. Good luck to you and may God have mercy on us all.

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Walt Cassell

9:45 am on Monday, October 15, 2012

You can throw all the figures in the world out there, all the google facts you want. The fact is, 7.8% from 8.1% is nothing! Take a look, how many people are no longer eligible for unemployment? how many people are working part time jobs because full time work is non-existant? Look in your neighborhood, how many people are out of work? Fact is, it's everywhere. Many suffer in silence, many are losing homes and businesses. Do we not owe it to ourselves to try a change? This administration has failed. We need to try a different route, Sure it may not work, But Romney and Ryan are making more sense and clearly want to take this country back to prosperity. Time to change the bathwater!

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Michael Fleming

11:22 am on Monday, October 15, 2012

Agree with Walt. Where is the logic in giving a president 4 years to at least change the direction of our decline, and when he fails, give him another 4? Where is the reason to give him 4 more years of policies that have clearly failed? How many out there can survive another 4 more years of either under employment, or no employment at all? Obama has been clearly anti-business, from his anti-success populist rhetoric to his stick it to the small businesses tax policies. Does ANYONE think he has the flexibility to completely pivot from the stance that he has assumed since January of 2009?
No, he will not pivot or adapt. We must pivot for him.

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Walt Cassell

11:39 am on Monday, October 15, 2012

Hi Michael. I am one of the lucky ones. I just transferred up here for a new position in my company. I start in on Wednesday. I am truly lucky to have been with the same comapny 16 years now. I leave behind many family members and freinds who are searching for work and just trying to get through each day as best as they can. And get this: most had manufacturing jobs that went away, most went to China, some just ceased operations because it became no longer profitable in the current economy. That's why I believe we need to change it up. Also Hi to you too Sonny,as for throwing out the "baby" you mention? Well, I guess if that "baby' is The current President, then throw it out along with the water. You all have a great day. I need to go see about registering my car up here, and getting a Mass license. I hear I'm in for an aggravating afternoon.

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rvd

12:02 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Question for Romney supporters: how could a man known best for breaking up American companies, outsourcing American jobs and stockpiling his wealth in offshore acocunts turn around American economy? Specifically, I would like to know opinion of the the majority of not-so-rich 98%-ers - how could Romney/Ryan policy benefit YOU?

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Michael Fleming

12:09 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Welcome to Massachusetts Walt. Congrats on keeping your job, even though it required you to relocate. You are truely one of the lucky ones in this economy, given the anti growth sentiment eminating down from Washington and "The Great One". Stay strong. If you are new to Boston and unfamiliar with all the historical events that occurred here in This area at the beginning of this great countries journey, study it's rich history, and you will be heartened at what our Founding Fathers went through, and the sense of liberty and freedom they were motivated by in fighting for our independence, an independence that is surely threatened by the culture of "victimization"and entitlement that pervades todays Leftist vision of a reconstructed America. Where government is the "giver of all good things" and the center of society, and the family unit, individual responsibility and freedom is subsumed into the maw of that ever hungry giant.

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Walt Cassell

9:38 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Thanks Michael. I actually put in for the opening up here and got it. It was a big jump in all aspects, so I had to do it. I am aware of a lot of the history in this area and I agree with you on everything you have said. There is a strong sense of entilement that does seem to take hold of certain people. I witnessed it back in Alabama also. Some people in my neighborhood all worked at the same place, when they got laid off some (not all) adopted that attitude of "what the heck, I worked hard all these years, I'm going to kick back and collect" granted there wasnt much out there, And there still isn't, but that attitude gets to be a way of life very quickly. People become content with collecting whatever they can, I don't understand it. Especially when collecting means there will never be anything else in life for you, No vacations, No cars, no satisfaction of doing a job and doing it well, Unfortunatly this country is becoming a country of "gimmees" and complacency. So when I had the oppurtunity to advance, even if I had to move, I did. My family will be joining me soon, All the education and training is advancing me, And i did it all without Uncle Sam handing me anything. As I stated early today, do we not owe it to ourselves to switch this up? Obama had good intentions no doubt, but he was in over his head, and his borrowing into the trillions and no hard stands on anything, coupled with the embassy fiasco has set this country on the road to ruin.

Michael Fleming

12:33 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Answer to rvd: your central theme seems to be, if a guy is rich, how can we possibly vote for him for president? Mitt was a venture capital guy. Do you even know how they work? They look for troubled businesses that have potential, buy them and then try to turn them around. They make good profits if the company survives. They WANT the company to thrive, as that results in a profit. There is a long list of companies that they have fixed and turned around. There is a short list of the companies that were beyond saving, who would very likely would have gone out of business anyway. Those companies, after an infusion of PRIVATE money, if they don't recover, are sold again or broken up. The likely scenario for that company anyway.
Now, look at America as a company in trouble that has enormous potential. Who better to fix this country than a guy who DID THAT FOR A LIVING AND WAS VERY SUCCESFUL AT IT?? Or, you think a guy who's only job before getting into politics was a professional political agitator called a "community organizer"? An organizer along the same frame of thinking as "Occupy Wallstreet" kind of organizer.
YOU tell ME...using all your logic circuits, who is better equipped to pull this country out of its doldrums?
P.S. John Kerry had money in off shore accounts too. Still does. That didn't seem to bother the socialist crowd too much back then. It certainly didn't bother me.

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trexdad

1:00 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Mishcael fleming - you are 100% accurate in your description of why this Country should vote for Romney. I have not seen anyone else put it in such precise words. Confratulations! I would shake your hand if I could.

I just hope the voters realize this and stop listening to the Obama rhetoric. Obama has had 4 years and has done nothing to help this county. He has just hurt it with Obamacare. I know several people who are on the verge of losing their jobs as a direct result of Obamacare.

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rvd

1:27 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

You did not answer my question. It is not about being rich, it is about how money were made. Romney could be the best vulture capitalist in the world and I would vote for him if there is such a position. However, being POTUS is different. It is not about quick profit for a couple of people at the helm at expense of the rest. We need a LEADER for 300+ millions of Americans and Romney is not.

Now, what does John Kerry has to do with my questions - the guy lost it in 2004. He is irrelevant now.

rvd

1:40 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

To: trexdad
I know several people who are on the verge of losing their jobs as a direct result of Obamacare.
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Obamacare is not even enacted yet but you've already blamed Obama. Lets say you are right. Some people will be hurt by ANY reform no matter how good it is. There are always winners and loosers. The real question is what is the win/loose ratio and will it improve over time. The only other choice is status quo - those who profit now will continue to do well, those who suffer will continue to suffer, while healthcare will continue to deteriorate until it collapses and our nation debt skyrockets.

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trexdad

2:27 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

rvd - you have got to be kidding me by saying Obamacare is not enacted. Listed below for your convenience is a link showing what provisions have been enacted. Also businesses are preparing for the future provisions which are going to have a major impact on the costs to run a business. Obamacare is forcing healthcare to become a socialists system as it is in Canada. If healthcare does become that, people will find it extremely difficult to get appointments and treatment when needed. Just ask any Canadien what they think about their healthcare system.

Obama wants this to become a socialist country. This country was built on capitalism. there are always ups and downs in a capitalist society but look at the United States compared to all other countries around the world. Compare this country to any socialist country. You will see we should keep this country as a capatalist country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obamacare

Michael Fleming

1:50 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

rvd- Here is your comment: "how could a man known best for breaking up American companies, outsourcing American jobs and stockpiling his wealth in offshore acocunts turn around American economy? Specifically, I would like to know opinion of the the majority of not-so-rich 98%-ers - how could Romney/Ryan policy benefit YOU?" I will answer them as best I can. I have already answered the first part of the question explaining how a venture capitalist CAN help America. Unfortunatly, there is no on the job training for president, nor is their a training position that one can go through before becoming president. One has to use the experience that one gets in his life before taking up the very difficult and unique job as POTUS. Lincoln was a lawyer, Carter was a peanut farmer, Obama was a community organizer, and Romney was a venture capitlaist. We NEVER know how these jobs will affect their performance of being president. FDR, Kennedy, were men of wealth prior to their election. Kerry was when he ran. So wealth, per se, is not a disqualifier. In fact, I would say it reflects WELL for someone who has executive experience and has the know how and intelligence to become successful before becoming president.
Your comments about wanting to know what the not-so-rich-98% have to say about who should be president tells me you are trying to play the "He's-rich-and-the-rest-of-us-aren't" card. Simple class envy. Yeah he has put money in off shore accounts? So what?

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rvd

2:15 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

You did not hear me. Money do not disqualify, but how they were made is important. Also, where you keep it and why you keep it there proves if you are a patriot and believe in USA or hit-and-run type. There is saying "put your money where your mouth it". Romney put it offshore, far away from his mouth.

We need LEADER for all people, not just strong, healthy and rich. Romney with his 47% rhetoric is not that guy, sorry. USA will not prosper with Romney.

Michael Fleming

1:59 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Most rich people shelter their taxes. A perfectly LEGAL way to reduce their tax liability. Kerry did it too. Many other Dems do it as well. If it would benefit me, (It wouldn't, I don't make enough money) I would do it too. Why is this part of your faux outrage? How does THAT fact disqualify him as a president? Make your point.
SOme of the companies that he tried to save were sent over seas? THAT is your objection? And how many of our jobs were sent over seas under the Obama administration that Bain had NOTHING to do with? Dude, when labor costs in China or Mexico are cheaper by far than the standard union wages that are found and enforced here by the administration...where would YOU get your labor? You think that all jobs that were ever sent to Vietnam or China were Romneys doing?? C'mon. You can't be that nieve. They go because the tax and labor cost environment in this country is high and the benefit is low. Onerous regulations? EPA compliance? Frank-Dodd compliance, Sorbains-Oxley compliance? The unsure future restrictions and fines of Obamacare? When THAT is reversed, you will see companies come back to the US. Under ANY president.

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rvd

2:30 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Michael Fleming
Make your point.
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I believe that if you live in the society, profit from it, enjoy status, wealth, democracy, roads, education, protection etc you should contribute, not hide. "Perfectly legal" it is not. Tax evasion is a crime. If everyone follows Romney's example this country will cease to exist. And this guy runs for president?

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trexdad

2:48 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

rvd - if you look at Obama's 2009 tax return you will see he also had money in offshore accounts. Romney has paid more in taxes than you will ever think about making in your lifetime. You say he can not lead the country? He rescued all those companies while at Bain, he rescued the Salt Lake City Olympics for this country, he brought businesses back to Massachusetts and he introduced a mandated healthcare system in Massachusetts which created jobs within healthcare. Obama has created Obamacare which has cost healthcare jobs and will continue to cost healthcare jobs. You should get your facts straight before making comments.

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rvd

2:53 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

To Michael
When THAT is reversed
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we go wild wild west again. Our country will degrade to the point when bigger gun is always right. If you will be able to hire big guns, you'll benefit. If not - then you'll loose.

Michael Fleming

2:18 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

You need to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia and Google searches. They are a valuable tool. Here are some of the companies that Bain has bought and helped become successful: AMC Entertainment, Aspen Education Group, Brookstone, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel Communications, Domino's Pizza, DoubleClick, Dunkin' Donuts, D&M Holdings, Guitar Center, Hospital Corporation of America (HCA), The Sports Authority, Staples, Toys "R" Us, Warner Music Group and The Weather Channel. Also, they bought Isotoner. Sealy Mattress company, and Calumet Coach, a maker of medical supplies.
There is a complete list of all their successes and failures available to any who know how to do a Google search. So a good bumber sticker for you, Sonny, would be "Google Search".

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Michael Fleming

2:54 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

RVD-
You are sorely misinformed. Off shore tax shelters are perfectly legal. Google it. Do you think that if Romney was engaged in ANY illegal tax strategies, that he wouldn't be the subject of a dozen IRS investigations? He is not. Get your facts straight. the U.S. tax code is encouraging Americans to move money offshore, and has counted a dozen legal ways to minimize taxes by doing so. Off shore investments must be reported, and Romney has comported with all those laws. It is the SECRET accounts that are illegal, because they hide income. You think in your mind that you know something the IRS does not? Then sir, you should immediatly stop wasting your clearly prescient mind here on these humble pages, and should report your knowledge to the NYT, complete with the documentation to support this accusation. right away.
Your objection is "how his money is made" am I correct in that assertion? Sorry, I am having a hard time pinning down your exact objection, except for a general and vague problem with him having money and you don't. Your comment cut and pasted: "We need LEADER for all people, not just strong, healthy and rich"...this seems to underline your objection to a Wealthy-American being president. If I am off base, please focus your attention on the exact issue you have. He made his money honorably, legally,and is paying all due taxes, and contributing to charities at an above normal levels. No wonder he offends you so much! An evil rich guy who pays his taxes!

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Poppaone

3:26 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Michael,
You are wasting your time arguing with some of these drones. Some of them have the intellect of a bag of nails and they prove it answers. They are poorly informed, and truly believe the propaganda spewing forth from the Democrats, MSNBC and the rest of MSM. Save your breath.

rvd

3:28 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

trexdad
Romney ... introduced a mandated healthcare system in Massachusetts which created jobs within healthcare. Obama has created Obamacare which has cost healthcare jobs and will continue to cost healthcare jobs.
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I hope this is not a joke. Obamacare is inspired, copied over, advised from what Romney signed in MA. Same advisers, same approach. Main mechanism also mandate, paid via tax. Even Romney does not object it.

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Poppaone

3:45 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

rvd - it is not the same. Massachusetts healthcare is a statewide solution for a statewide problem. It was set up because of the hugh number of uninsured who kept showing up at the emergency ward when they were hung over, or had a cold or a hang nail. Hospitals were being overwhelmed and those that could afford health insurance but chose not to buy it. Those costs were passed onto the hospitals or the taxpayers. A state solution does not translate to a national solution. Alos, Romneys plan was not 2700 pages long filled with mandates, tax increases, death panels, and who knows what else. The state law just says that if you don't have health insurance, get it or be prepared to pay a penalty. The poor are already covered by medicaid.

Michael Fleming

3:47 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Sigh...you are right of course, Poppa. Somehow, I am compelled to help the sick and infirm, even if that means intellectually. Hopefully, others who aren't so invested in their cocoon of mis information may read a sliver of truth in what I say, and a spark of curiosity will take hold, maybe inspire a reader to get their news from someone other than the immersed in Kool-aid Ed Schulz or Rachel Maddow. It is THEY that I speak to, not the paid echo chambers that frequently populate blog conversations.
But I hear ya Poppaone, I hear ya...

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Poppaone

4:32 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

You are doing God's work. Good luck.

Michael Fleming

4:21 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

In your case, it would be "ineffectually" thanks for clearing that up.

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Divamarie

4:42 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

I am an independent voter and I will wait until the last minute to decide who will be my candidate. I will watch the debates. I will give both candidates a chance to impress me, admittedly, neither has done too much to impress thus far. Both sides kiss babies, talk, talk is not action. My gut is leaning towards OBAMA in a very lukewarm way, despite my long-term unemployment. Speaking of which, lots of anger here on this site, apparently, others lost their jobs too during this administration? In between looking for a medical job, a once-safe place to work, hospitals cutting and not hiring permanent people, patients are without insurance, or unemployed and do not have the funds for a co pays, so they do not seek care...I spend my time consoling a friends who lost her son in the war that Bush started... we all are suffering lots of losses with wars, bad economy, the overseas slaughter of our ambassador, vets, etc. We can all point to a particular party for our suffering. Lots of losses. How to heal? Will congress work with the next president. Will we funnel our anger at our congress and make both sides together? Will we put our words into actions? Is there any compassion here?

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Poppaone

7:31 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Divamarie: who are you kidding? You are an independent like my dog is a cat. Instead of asking if Congress will work with the next President, why not ask if the next one will work with Congress, unlike the current one. BTW, Bush did not start the war. Let me remind you, it was started on the bright and sunny morning of September 11, 2001 when our country was attacked and 3,000 people were murdered. How soon we forget. If your guy wins, you need not worry because you will gladly become one the millions newly dependendent on the government for your very existence. You have already sacrificed your personal liberties, and now you will allow then to tell you how to think. Welcome to the brave new world of hope and change. Enjoy!

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Michael Fleming

11:54 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Diva-
If you still plan to vote for Obama after all the truth that is coming out about how Obama/Biden is throwing the State Department and intelligence under the bus, and how he failed to provide the security for our embassy in Libya, getting 4 innocent Americans killed, then you may take yourself out of the independent category.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

4:56 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Divamarie,

Waiting until now to decide...? Obama is your man:

He said, "We are the ones we have been waiting for."

There is probably little else we can do or say to help you. Try to stay away from sharp objects and hot stoves. You would probably not survive in many other states, but should be okay in Massachusetts.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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rvd

6:16 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Is intolerance and arrogance a new direction in Theology?

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Divamarie

9:38 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Rev. E:
It is OK to have a different political opinion then me, it is keeping with the freedom of speech of this country, and I applaud it. Your comments regarding my mental state in my view, were condescending and sexist. Clearly, not in keeping with what your job is supposed to be, open-minded and non-judgemental.

rvd

5:26 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Poppaone
rvd - it is not the same. Massachusetts healthcare is a statewide solution for a statewide problem. It was set up because of the hugh number of uninsured who kept showing up at the emergency ward when they were hung over, or had a cold or a hang nail. Hospitals were being overwhelmed and those that could afford health insurance but chose not to buy it. Those costs were passed onto the hospitals or the taxpayers. A state solution does not translate to a national solution.
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It does translate. The problem is exactly the same, and solution provided is similar. Again, Romney confirmed that. His only complain on last debate was "each state should be able to decide for itself".

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trexdad

5:46 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

Rvd - Obamacare is not even close to the Massachusetts mandated plan. You really need to start reading about these things and looking at the details. Obamacare is strictly funded by taxes and by lower reimbusements to healthcare providers. It is driving healthcare providers into forming these big healthcare systems and driving providers out of healthcare. This drives these providers to eliminate jovs which is cuttibg into the ability for healthcare to provide timely services.

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rvd

6:00 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

trexdad
Obamacare is not even close to the Massachusetts mandated plan
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Why don't you google it? "Obamacare vs. Romneycare: Is there a difference?"

rvd

6:06 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012

I suggest Romney supporters learn from Mr. Carnegie: “even after I pass away the [wealth] that came to me to administer as a sacred trust for the good of my fellow men is to continue to benefit humanity for generations untold…”
But hey, all is not lost. Romney can still turn philanthropist after he loses this election.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

9:54 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Divamarie,

Obama is definitely your candidate. He committed to slow the rise of the oceans and begin to heal the planet. Sorting out any of the issues you have raised should not be a problem.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Divamarie

10:39 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Thank GOD I do not attend your church.

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Divamarie

10:45 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Again, you are sexist and condescending.

TheHam

12:42 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

ANOTHER great screenshot to send off showing Karla Vallance has disapproved of a comment that follows terms of use simply because it is against her personal opinions. Borderline Harassment, how professional!

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